[laughter] and kirsten gillibrand. of course, there's pent-up demand for new yorkers running for the democratic nomination for president in 2016 already. [laughter] so as i understand, i think the order of precedence is if the secretary of state the -- state runs, then the governor won't, and if neither of them run, then gillibrand runs. >> i don't know if i just yet see her as presidential material, but she has been someone who has been mentioned who could be picked for this cycle. which would raise her national profile. and she certainly is a talented politician. i think she was underestimated when she was first appointed. and so who knows? >> along those line just to echo that, there is talk that the senator with the golden resumÉ, rob portman, who's done most every other job in washington may also think about running for the republican senator tore y'all committee job in two years which would allow him to regroup. he, obviously, is not going to become treasury secretary, he didn't become vice president. um, he sti